
Management
Analysts
Jeffrey Kang - CEO & Chairman
Frank Zheng - CFO
Will Davis - CMO
Wanyee Ho - Investor Relations Director
Mike Walkley – Canaccord Genuity
Scott Searle – Merriman Capital
Quinn Bolton – Needham & Company
Mark Tobin – Roth Capital Partners
Brad Erickson – Pacific Crest Securities
Thomas McGannon - Whetstone Capital
Evan Tindell-Ballentine Capital Management
Wanyee Ho: Thank you Alisha,
and good afternoon to everyone. I'm Wanyee Ho, Cogo’s Investor
Relations Director, and I'd like to thank you all for joining us today
to participate in Cogo's 2011 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call.
After the market closed today, Cogo issued a press release reporting
unaudited financial results for the quarter ended June 30, 2011. This
release can be accessed in the investor relations section of Cogo's
website at www.cogo.com.cn
and on most other financial websites.
The discussion today will be hosted by Jeffrey
Kang, Chairman and CEO, who will discuss the Company’s business
operations; Will Davis, our Senior Vice President of Business
Development and Chief Marketing Officer, who will discuss guidance; and
Frank Zheng, our CFO, who will report on the Company’s financials.
Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that the call today may contain forward-looking statements regarding future events and the financial performance of the Company. We wish to caution you that such statements are at present just predictions, and actual results may differ materially as a result of the risks and uncertainties inherent in the Company's business. We refer you to documents that the Company files periodically with the SEC, specifically the most recently filed Form 10-K, as well as the Safe Harbor statement made in today’s press release. These documents contain important risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in the Company's current projections. Cogo assumes no obligation to revise the forward-looking information contained in today's call. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Jeffrey. Jeffrey, the floor is yours.
Jeffrey Kang:
Thank you, Wanyee, and thanks to everyone for joining the call. I will
focus on a few key points and leave plenty of time for Q&A.
First, I will review our second quarter results
and outlook for the third quarter;
Second I will provide an update on our buyback program and our
successful proxy vote to change our domicile to the Caymans Islands;
Third, I will provide an update of the development of our new, unique
e-commerce platform, Cogo 3.0, located at cogozon.com, which is
One-Stop Shop for our SME Customer base, providing them with soup to
nuts Value Added solutions, ranging from applications to logistics to
products. Currently, the focus of Cogo 3.0 is on leveraging our
existing customer base, while longer term, the focus will shift to
accelerating customer additions. In this business, scale is the number
one current priority.
Cogo’s second quarter revenue of $134.6 million
was up 48% year over year. We saw strong bookings with specific
strength in Telecom, Healthcare, Smart Grid/Meters, 3G Smartphones and
HDTV. I would classify our overall end market demand as mixed, with the
credit tightening causing some recent uncertainty amongst our SME
customer base. We view this situation as temporary and expect our SME
customers to be poised for continued share gains once the credit
tightening eases and the current uncertainty lifts, perhaps within two
or three quarters. We also saw our blue-chip customers gaining some
share across certain end markets, particularly in handsets and telecom.
Our Non-GAAP EPS diluted earnings in the quarter
was 22 cents, in-line with our prior guidance. Cogo posted a gross
margin of 12.3% in the quarter as much better than expected strength in
telecom lowered our blended gross margin. We also saw some gross margin
deterioration in both digital media and telecom segments, and these
trends are expected to continue for the rest of 2011 and into 2012 as
these industries continue to mature. I expect that our gross margins
will be in the 10-11% range for the next few quarters as pricing trends
in these segments remains under pressure, but we see stability in this
range. We have not seen any deterioration in our Industrial gross
margins and believe that different dynamics within those end markets
should leave those gross margins at current levels.
In the quarter, Cogo posted operating margins of
7.2%, down sequentially from 8.5% in the first quarter due to lower
gross margins and a calculated decision to begin ramping investments in
headcount and new offices throughout China in order to aggressively
pursue scale. We expect this new series of investments to last through
2012 as we pursue the highly fragmented $100 billion Addressable
Market. During the last slowdown in late 2008, we were too conservative
in pursuing new business opportunities. While the end markets are in a
period of uncertainty, I would like expand and NOT retrench. At some
point in 2012, we would expect this uncertainty to have lifted and we
expect to be in an even stronger position. To be clear, I am investing
aggressively in the business because I see tremendous opportunities in
the marketplace and I have to take a longer term approach. The current
market forces give us an unprecedented chance to aggressively
consolidate the market to drive scale while others are cautious. We
have the platform, the capital structure and the scale to make it
happen.
Now onto some segment highlights. Full details
are in the press release.
Our Industrials business grew 68% year over year
growth in the quarter and now represents 20% of total revenue. For
2011, we continue to expect that our Industrials revenue will be split
60% for Smart Meter/Grid, 15-20% for Autos, 15-20% for High Speed
Railways and 10% for Healthcare.
Revenue from our MDC acquisition was $2.4 million
in the quarter and we remain on track to surpass our goal of $15-20
million in the first four quarters after closing. We saw increasing
order strength in the quarter and expect this to turn to revenue later
in 2011 and 2012. We are still in the process of leveraging the MDC
assets across our whole customer base and I am pleased with the
progress. MDC puts us in the sweet spot of hundreds of billions of
dollars in total Health Care and Smart Grid spending.
Our telecom business showed much better than
normal seasonality in the quarter and we began to see hockey stick
growth in the month of June that has not slowed down yet. We expect the
strength to probably continue through the end of the year. Most of the
upside in our telecom revenue is coming from one of our key Tier One
vendors; and this strength is focused on fiber and PON build-outs and
less focused on wireless.
Within digital media, the key strength was found
in HDTV and 3G Smartphones. Overall, handset demand was weaker than
expected, with some higher ASPs in 3G handsets helping to bridge the
difference. We believe that Tier One handset vendors gained share in
the quarter versus white box handset vendors. We expect that low-cost
3G baseband solutions more geared for smaller white box vendors will be
available within a couple of quarters.
Now, I’d like to turn attention to our buyback.
In the second quarter, as previously discussed, we bought back 865,000
shares of Cogo stock. As of yesterday’s close, under our previously
announced 10-5-1 buyback program that began on July 1st, we have bought
back an additional 1.4 million shares of stock. The current program
lasts through August 9th, at which point, we will have bought back,
over the last few months, approximately 10% of the public float not
held by Cogo insiders. Clearly we are putting our money where our mouth
is.
Additionally, once we file our 10-Q, we can begin
to buy back stock again. At some point in the near future, we will have
reached the 5 million-share limit established under the current buyback
program and we would certainly plan to re-authorize a new buyback.
Clearly, at current levels, with our stock trading below tangible book
value, we believe that buying back Cogo shares is a very attractive use
of cash.
This quarter, our shareholders overwhelmingly
approved our proposal by the Board of Directors to change our domicile
to the Cayman Islands and today this re-domesticiation was completed.
This opens the door for us to dual-list our shares on the Hong Kong
Exchange while also maintaining current levels of regulatory scrutiny
and financial transparency. We believe that this dual-listing of shares
will broaden our shareholder base and consequently, a positive catalyst
for the stock.
Finally, I would like to address the progress we
have made in the launch of our unique e-commerce platform, cogozon.com.
We are currently in beta testing phase with a number of our customers
and in the quarter we executed approximately 2 million dollars in
online orders from 38 customers. We expect the final version to be
completed by the end of this year with increased functionality. Over
time, we will leverage our customer base of over 1,600 on this
transaction based Internet revenue platform, through both our
Application Store and Product Store. This is not an overnight game
changer, but we have a clear first mover advantage and the feedback
from our customers is clear: this makes ordering, checking of orders,
and buying 3rd party apps simpler and faster and they want to utilize
what we are offering. Over time, we will shift the focus towards the
acceleration of customer acquisitions. Simply put, Cogo 3.0 will help
us to accelerate our ability to scale our business towards one billion
in revenue and beyond.
With that, I would like to turn the call over to Will to discuss our guidance. Will, over to you.
Will Davis: Thank
you
Jeffrey. Good afternoon everyone, and thank you for joining our
call. In the third quarter of 2011, we expect our revenue to be in the
range of $130-140 million US dollars, and Non-GAAP EPS Diluted to be
15-16 cents. Cogo ended the second quarter of 2011, with 95 blue-chip
customers, up three customers sequentially and up 13% from the prior
year period.
The Company grew its SME customer base
sequentially by 45, reaching 1,585 at the end of the second quarter, up
14% year over year and 3% sequentially. Cogo’s total customer base is
now 1,680, up 14% year over year and 3% quarter over quarter. Since the
first quarter of 2008, Cogo’s total customer count is up nearly 55%.
Cogo’s blue-chip Average Revenue Per User (“ARPU”) was $1 million in
the second quarter of 2011, up 35% sequentially and up 36% year over
year. Clearly, a lot of the telecom strength is evidenced in that
statistic. The Company’s SME ARPU in the quarter was nearly $25,000, up
6% sequentially and up 18% year over year. Total Cogo ARPU was up 29%
year over year.
Here are some specifics to help you with your
modeling in the Third Quarter of 2011:
With that, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Frank Zheng, our Chief Financial Officer.
Frank Zheng: Thank
you,
Will. Good afternoon everyone. Unless otherwise noted, all items
are in US dollars. Cogo continues to have a very solid capital
structure that is a true competitive advantage. We ended the quarter
with $56.2 million in net cash, or around $1.60 a share. As we
indicated on our last earnings call, our quarter to quarter operating
cash flow will be volatile based on working capital needs and we had
negative operating cash flow in the second quarter after generating $10
million in operating cash flow in the first quarter. We are seeing
tremendous growth opportunities and our business model needs working
capital to drive our growth. Please remember that our business model
requires very little capex.
Our current strategy is to grow our scale and if we need to increase our working capital requirements on a short-term basis in order to achieve this, then that is the approach we plan to take. This strategy is very consistent with what we have said previously. As Jeffrey indicated earlier, we are committed to driving scale in this period of uncertainty. Our cash conversion cycle improved sequentially in the third quarter from 117 days to 111 days. In the second quarter, we spent $4.9 million for buybacks, $5.5 million towards the MDC Acquisition, and a $3.5 million increase in pledged deposits for a new bank facility. We continue to be very pleased with our ongoing relationship with our auditors, KPMG in Hong Kong. They have been our auditors consistently since the spring of 2006. This concludes my remarks. Thank you everyone for joining the call to discuss our 2011 Second quarter unaudited results. At this time, let’s turn the call to the operator to open up the floor for questions. We will look to end this call at around 5:30. Operator?
-Q&A-
Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. (Operator Instructions) One moment please for our first question. Our first question comes from the line of Mike Walkley with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.
Mike Walkley – Canaccord Genuity: Great, thank you. Can you walk us through the change in the gross margins going forward, clearly a different mix shift, but if you could kind of walk us through the gross margin and if you have any kind of longer term targets now for gross margin and operating margin to help us on a long-term modeling, that would be great. Thank you.
Jeffrey Kang: We just expanded the industrial business which is one of our fastest growing segment of business. We feel the gross margin is still consistent with what we are targeting of talking about 30% of the gross margin. I think this certainly –industrial business will continue to grow and achieve this high margin status in the foreseeable future. In terms of telecom and digital media business, I think the major – we are facing certain happy problems –problem which is the revenue growth from this segment is much higher than our conservative estimate. And most of this revenue coming from the tier one customers like as ZTE for example. And so normally the revenue from our tier one customers, the gross margin is lower than the revenue coming from our SME segment. So that’s why I think in the near-term and we gonna see our revenue going to grow dramatically and a much higher than what we have expected, but at a same time the mixed impact is the gross margin will be lower because of the revenue mix will favor – will help our gross margins. So in our view it’s a combined strong growth in terms of the revenue, as I just stated in our press release that we think the 10% to 11% of the combined gross margins will be foreseeable for the next few quarters. So that’s our view. Again because of the revenue mix will be changed from quarter to quarter, so in the second quarter, the revenue growth of the telecom segment is slower than what we had expected and then we’re going to see that the gross margins will be expected to increase. So that’s our – view of our on gross margin in the near-term.
Mike Walkley – Canaccord Genuity: Okay, thank you. And Jeffrey, within your digital media’s division you talked about weaker overall unit demand but better from tier one so I imagine that also hurts your gross margins, so is it more looking for more affordable 3G solutions to help the other base so that helps the overall mix again move higher within the digital media division in terms of gross margin?
Jeffrey Kang: Yes, as we just mentioned, because of various tightening policy in China, that is to fight inflation. So that makes the capital costs very expensive in China. And not only the costs but also most of the SME find it hard to access the credit line. And so that’s why so the overall market – so if we look at the end market demand, even though its overall still quite strong, but most of the demand is coming from the still one guy, the blue-chip company. Most of the SME companies they are kind of the prices shrinking their size and to stay on a market. So we expect this situation will continue for another at least a one or two quarters. And so but after this situation, overall sentiment is changed and suddenly the SME is going to gain getting more shares. So additionally in the 3G segment, I think up from because today the Qualcomm’s still dominatingthe basebandbusiness in 3G business in China. But I think after like MTK or Broadcom, Baseband comes to the market with total solutions available and more and more small SME cell phone customers will adopt those solutions and we’re going to stay there taking the share back. It may be in the middle of the next year. So that our view about overall market. When that happens it will help our gross margins.
Mike Walkley – Canaccord Genuity: Okay, great. Thank you. And then one last question I’ll pass it on. Can you just update us on the likelihood and planning for your dual-listing, what are the next steps and is that something you guys still plan to go forward with?
Jeffrey Kang: As we told the investors, first step, we have to redomicile change from the U.S. to the Cayman Islands and we just finish this, technically, since today. Andthen that’s open the door for us through on Hong Kong dual-listing. So we view the Hong Kong dual-listing is kind of a catalyst to maximize our shareholder value. So we need to find the best timing to do that. So after the redomicile is done, normally, it only takes a few months after we submit the documents to the Hong Kong Exchange, then we will be able to dual listing on Hong Kong Exchange. And I think the next question is when, and we are still finding the best timing to do that. So we don’t want to waste another catalyst because we view the Hong Kong dual-listing is the catalyst to maximize our shareholder value.
Mike Walkley – Canaccord Genuity: Thank you very much.
Will Davis: Thanks Mike.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Scott Searle with Merriman Capital. Please go ahead.
Scott Searle – Merriman Capital: Good afternoon. Jeffrey, just to follow-up on the gross margin question. Beyond the pressure in telecom, it seems like it goes a little bit beyond mix, so outside of industrial, where we see any recovery in the gross margins as we go into 2012. It sounds like near-term it’s going to be in that 10% to 11% range, but what will bring it back to a higher level? And on the OpEx front, I thought the number you mentioned was $8 million. Can you provide a little bit more color that’s a fairly significant step up in terms of how that’s going to be deployed? Thanks.
Jeffrey Kang:
Well as we discussed in our press release, I think that overall market
–we’re heading to the uncertainty, may not necessary slowing down in
China but one thing is for sure is that the market is still quite
uncertain in the next one or two quarters. So that’s the trend we have
started to see since in the middle of the second quarter. So our view
is in this environment, our focus is not just to move the – so our
priority is not to move the gross margin 1% or 2% that is that is not
our priority. We don’t want to repeat the mistake we made in financial
crisis in 2008. So we were too conservative. So I think at this moment,
we have a very clear strategy. This is the opportunity we are waiting
for in two or three years.
So we have to significantly expand our revenue and customer base in the
next couple of quarters.
Driving the scale up is our – the only priority for us to do that. How to capitalize the platform to move the gross margin, improving the other financial metrics is not our near-term priority. So one thing is for sure, once we’ve reached the certain scale and then investor are going to see almost every other financial metrics will step by step [come] back to higher level. But again I think in the near future, I want to state a very realistic in the target for us are driving the scale and driving the customer number increase and finding the new customer moving to the new segment, taking market share this year, driving the revenue growth that’s the only priority for us in the foreseeable future in the next few quarters. And after we achieve into that level and then we’re going to move to help improving the other financial papers such as the gross margin and operating margin.
Scott Searle – Merriman Capital: And Jeffrey maybe just to follow-up in terms of the sequential outlook, as we get into the fourth quarter, typically telecom slows down, should we expect that to be slowing down as well. Will we actually see up revenues in December or some mix issues gonna impact that? Thanks.
Jeffrey Kang: We will continue to see- from the revenue and our demand perspective, we are going to continue to stay strong growth in the second half of this year for the September and December quarters. And that’s our – based on our existing book and visibility. So that’s why is in the near-term and the telecom revenue and digital media revenue, both the revenues will continue to grow. And so the only thing is industrial also, we didn’t see anything changed well, will grow as what we have expected. And so I think our – the overall mix of this year in terms of the revenue will we’re going to see market with higher mix from the revenue, from the telecom and digital media as what we expected earlier this year.
Scott Searle – Merriman Capital: Great, thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Quinn Bolton with Needham & Company. Please go ahead.
Quinn Bolton – Needham & Company: Thanks. Jeffrey, just for I guess a little concerned about the sort of change in business strategy, it seems like you guys were now focusing on scale over the next few quarters, but just focusing on scale in a business where margins appear to be declining and that just seems like for typically it leads to lower and lower levels of absolute profit, they’re already overtime to me. How do you change that cycle? Do you think once you get critical mass that you can start to turn those margins back around or is this, I mean if you look back over three years or remember when the gross margin was 18% to 19%, you guys cut it to 14% to 15%. You held that for about two plus years pretty consistently now, looks like we’re seeing about another 4 points coming off margins and we’re going to be talking about 10% to 11% for perhaps sometime. How does it not continue to go down I guess driving still sort of worries me at the margins continue to come in?
Jeffrey Kang: Thanks,
basically
I think that’s – in generally that’s – we’re not running a
perfect model. There is a no perfect model available there. So I think
the management team have to choose the right strategy based on
end-market situation. So we’re all facing the same end-market, there is
a lot of uncertainties there, people are cautious. So that’s why and
also we’re told investor that Cogo and we are in the transition period
in this year. We’re moving to the e-commerce business model which is I
think once we are moving to the e-commerce business model, so the scale
is the most important thing to us in order to be stay clearly a leader
in the Chinese markets, particularly in the transaction based B2B
market. So that’s how our positioning. So we don’t want that – there is
only one focus in uncertain times.
So I think in the next two – so let’s assume in the next couple of quarters our focus is driving the scale. So basically and there are certainly we are going to sacrifice somethings, you won’t if you wanted to get more new more customers. So most of the new customers we might have some lower revenue, lower margin business in that we’ll be getting but look at – think about a Cogo’s business model, no matter we are in the low margin or high margin business, we are – whatever business, most business is profitable business. So the whole thing is once we move one or more to the SME based and we reached the business scale and the margin will come back. So that’s why – I cannot tell the exactly, if we’ll reach $1 billion or $800 million of revenue, that’s the figure will comes back, but the trend is if we continue to expand our scale to reach a $1 billion revenue target and the certain point, in the next year in my view that overall margin trend will return back, recover back and then the investor will certainly find Cogo actually will reach higher levels in terms of overall market share and market position. So that’s why I think particularly in this uncertain end-market environment, Cogo should go more boldly for taking market share rather than retrench and not expanding. We made the same mistake two or three years ago, I don’t want to same mistake again.
Quinn Bolton – Needham & Company: And just either for Jeffrey or Will, can you walk through the buyback again, it sounded like you had repurchased I think you said either 10% of the float or 10% of the shares outstanding if I heard you right, is this shares out for Q3 to buy 38 million to 39 million range which is roughly flat with where it’s been. So if you bought back that much stock, when do we see it actually hit in terms of reduced share count?
Will Davis: Hi Quinn, I’ll update that one. Yes, it’s in the second quarter we bought back 865 thousand. And in the third quarter from July 1st till now, we’ve bought back about 1.4 million. So that’s 2.3 million. And the 10% that we talked about was the public float that is not held by Cogo insiders, right, so that’s a non-Cogo insider public float that we’re referring to. And in terms of 38 million to 39 million share count, it could end up being lower than that depending on what we end up buying for the rest of the quarter. Now, our 105b-1 plan goes through August 9th which means we don’t really have any knowledge of how that proceeds. Then we will file our Q, and then typically a couple of days after the Q is filed, we’d been started buying back again under our normal program and then we’d be able to buy for a certain number of weeks until the black-out period. So that’s something that we would pursue. I think at some point we would have to renew the five million buyback authorization five million shares which we can do at some point probably later this quarter. So the share count I gave could end up being conservative based on what we end up doing, but certainly down here, Quinn, we don’t really see a better use of cash.
Quinn Bolton – Needham & Company: Can you give – sorry one final question by that, with the 2.2 or 2.3 million that repurchased in Q2 to Q3 to-date, what is that leave available on the current five million?
Will Davis: If my memory serves we would have about a 1.5 million left.
Quinn Bolton – Needham & Company: Okay. Some of that 1.5 could be purchased under the current 10b5-1 plan through August 9th.
Will Davis: Exactly and then we could re-open and continue to go.
Quinn Bolton – Needham & Company: Once 10Q was filed.
Will Davis: Exactly. There are SEC rules around that but we’ll file the Q and I believe it’s the third business day maybe that – I think it’s the third business day we can start.
Quinn Bolton – Needham & Company: Okay, thank you.
Will Davis: Sure, thanks Quinn.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Tobin with Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead.
Mark Tobin – Roth Capital Partners: Hi guys, thanks for taking my question.
Will Davis: Hi Mark.
Mark Tobin – Roth Capital Partners: About the rollout is and I know its early stages with the 3.0 but can you give a sense of what segment customers you’re seeing with the initial traction that you’re getting?
Jeffrey Kang: Most of the customers that we’re focusing today is our 3.0 strategy has two parts. In the near-term, we’re pretty much focusing on what are our existing customer base and we’re trying to give them the platform, make them easier to purchasing some of the new stuff, additional stuff through our product store. So currently I think the feedback is quite positive, mostly from our customers from both the digital media and industrial segments. And so we are – I think that in the next couple of quarters, we expect to see a significant ramp up from the online orders from this SME, because we really offer them very easy, easiest way to access the technology information as well as the one click to buy most of the stuff. And our longer term strategy is try to use this platform to get more and more new customers in addition to what we’re having achieve the customer base through our offline. So I think the longer term, the offline and online strategy will significantly help Cogo expand our customer base. So that’s the two strategy we’re using. To answer your questions basically which segments the customers are coming from digital media and the industrial. And most of them are the SME customer base.
Mark Tobin – Roth Capital Partners: Okay, that’s helpful. And shifting gears, looking at your – managing your capital structure, with the current environment mainly you carry a nice half balance and also carry point a little bit debts, can you share with us how you’re looking at that and you kind of balancing your cash balance with your debt as you manage your business?
Jeffrey Kang: The reason we have raised the debt and there is two ways. One is the near term, working capital demand is high. We totally have the bank credit line over $200 million. Most of them from the banks in Hong Kong. That makes Cogo a very lucky company because we can access the capital in this tightening environment and that’s why we decided to using this way to expand our business. And answer your questions, there are two reasons for us for manage this, we borrowed more money in Hong Kong in US dollars but we are accumulating more in Chinese currency in China. So that’s why part of the borrowing is that purely we have delighted is like a safe play of the Chinese currency appreciation. That’s a one reason why we increased the debts significantly in matter of few quarters. Secondly, that’s our working capital demand. And so for that portion and I think this also based on our existing bank credit line. And so we are – I am pretty much sure, we can – based on this existing capital structure, we’ll be able to raise a $1 billion revenue results, rather than to raising additional money from this equity markets. So that’s our view and for our – how to manage our,capital structure to grow our business in next two years.
Mark Tobin – Roth Capital Partners: Okay, that’s helpful. I’ll jump back in the queue, thanks guys.
Will Davis: Thanks Mark.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brad Erickson with Pacific Crest Securities. Please go ahead.
Will Davis: Hi Brad.
Brad Erickson – Pacific Crest Securities: Hi there, how are you?
Will Davis: Great, thank you.
Brad Erickson – Pacific Crest Securities: Just wanted to clarify on the industrial segment, I don’t know if my line went out or what happened but you guys had mentioned this few times being on path I believe its $100 million and I just wanted to confirm that that wasn’t changing?
Jeffrey Kang: No, well we didn’t changed – the our outlook for our industrial business.
Brad Erickson – Pacific Crest Securities: Okay.
Jeffrey Kang: The industrial business, we’re going to continue to grow as we explained to investors. Just like the second quarter in which wegrew like 68% in the year-over-year growth and our gross margins is as what we told investor. We believe that high growth trends are going to continue and gross margin are going to stay stable in the next foreseeable future.
Brad Erickson – Pacific Crest Securities: Okay.
Will Davis: Brad, we reached almost exactly the half-way point for that after the first couple of quarters. So that’s something that we can definitely set our sights on.
Brad Erickson – Pacific Crest Securities: Okay, fair enough. And then just turning to the e-commerce platform and you were talking about potentially going live by the end of the year, I believe is what you said, and as you look to setting the target away from these tier one customers that are holding the margins back in the near-term, at what point like that you thought, I think you said $2 million with 38 customers. So at what point might that become bit more – I realized it’s not going to become a huge piece may be in ‘12 or even in ‘13 but at what point might we think about that starting to give you guys a little more confidence on the margins coming back a bit next year?
Jeffrey Kang: As
you
know we are fully investor aware in the transition period from
along with offline business stepback and moving online e-commerce
business model. So I think it’s very encouraging to us and after one
quarter we are launching this new platform to get our run $2 million
online orders from our customers. And given though our overall platform
is still in the beta better version. So we still add a lot of the new
functions onto our platform. So to offer more functionalities to our
business customers.
I think we don’t want you to give you a too overstated promise to that
future but I think that that’s the direction we want to go.
We’re clearly one of leaders in the B2B transaction base on the e-commerce platform in China. So and then we believe if we still believe that in a second point of next year and I think we should demonstrate how powerful this platform could help us to accelerate the customer base in China and accelerate our business revenue. And after we reached, it may take one year or two years and I believe in just giving us in the foreseeable a couple of quarters, we could be able to reach that level. And when we reach to that level and that we’re going to stay Cogo is actually on totally higher level the company in terms of the market share and we have leading position in the market. So that’s our view about this business and we are very confident and we’re pleased to see the progress we’ve made in the second quarter.
Brad Erickson – Pacific Crest Securities: Okay, it’s helpful. Thank you.
Will Davis: Thanks Brad.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Thomas McGannon with Whetstone Capital. Please go ahead. Mr. McGannon your line is open. If you have a question.
Thomas McGannon - Whetstone Capital: Sorry, I forgot that I was on mute. Thank you guys for taking my call, I appreciate it. The one thing that I wanted to talk about being just real brief with you guys can touch on and then I’ll hop off, is the use of the factoring arrangements. Could you guys talk about what activity you had in Q2 in terms of selling some receivables and also maybe could you kind of more broadly talk about the thought behind the factoring arrangements from why you guys do selling receivables as kind of a necessary process to go through? And then also perhaps if you can round that up with how much of what you have sold that you think might still be uncollected because as I understand it, those sales are re-coursed back to the company. So maybe if you guys could talk, touch on those points about the factoring sales that would probably be helpful.
Jeffrey Kang:
Okay, let me answer your questions in order. So this factoring, with
the reason why we’re factoring this that is receivables coming from our
tier one customers, ZTE. So because we have that special terms to give
with ZTE which is longer than our normal payment terms and in terms of
the AR. So that’s why the revenue from this year increasing our AR
amount will increase simultaneously. But on other hand we have a term
with Bank of China in Hong Kong. We can sell this AR from from ZTE to
the Bank of China in Hong Kong with normal interest rates which is
roughly 2% to 2.5% a year, the interest rate. So that’s a safe play.
Without this factoring arrangement, I have to limit our revenue from
ZTE because it takes too much of our working capital.
But with this arrangement is more like a safe play for me, so whatever
there is revenue from ZTE, at the same time we can still depend on Bank
of China using the normal bank loan rate. And then that will make ZTE a
viable business for me to take. That’s the reason behind the why we
factor this AR. So we factor AR not because we are not able to collect
the money from the ZTE and it’s because basically in based on our
internal model’s result of ZTE portion, we are certain that we cannot
run a lot of positive cash flow every quarter, just because the ZTE,
they have longer payment terms, but at the same time, ZTE is the most
revenue contributor to Cogo. So that’s all using the factor
arrangements is good for our business is also – is I think that makes a
lot of business sense again using this way.
So I think that’s the reason behind this factor and we’re going to continue our strategies again, we’re going to continue to increase our revenue from the tier one accounts like the ZTE and at the same time we’re going to continue to factor and based on our cash position to sell to the Bank of China to get enough cash to finance our further demand for the working capital.
Thomas McGannon - Whetstone Capital: Thank you. The other question that I would have is, do you know – do you guys keep tabs on how much of those receivables kind of remain outstanding today?
Jeffrey Kang: I think that’s our receivables – it’s based on the days, I think it’s just whole internally and we have a very strict policy. I think overall our AR receivables days is that we’ve probably in the 90 days of the revenue. And our inventory days is around that normally that we’re 30 to 45 days. And we are trying to keep our payable days aroundlike 30 days, so that’s a normal like a financial model for our business. But the only thing is that if there are a few key accounts like ZTE or the tier one account even their revenue have much bigger portion of our overall revenue. So we have to better sell some of them so keep this overall cash in balance. So that’s the strategy we are adopting to manage our working capital demand. Thomas McGannon All right, thank you guys very much for touching on that. I appreciate it.
Will Davis: Thanks.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Evan Tindell with Ballentine Capital Management. Please go ahead.
Evan Tindell-Ballentine Capital Management: Actually you guys dealt with the same question I have, so I will (inaudible) the conference thanks.
Jeffrey Kang: Okay, thank you.
Will Davis: Thanks, Evan.
Operator: Thank you. I show no further questions in the queue at this time. I’d like to turn the conference back to management for closing remarks.
Jeffrey Kang: Thank
you
very much for the call. While we are facing some market uncertainty
due to credit tightening in China and some unforeseen margin pressure
on some of our products, we believe that now is the time to
aggressively invest in the business. Our goal for one dollar in annual
EPS has been pushed out, but we don’t want to repeat the same mistakes
of 2008 when we were too conservative. My number one goal remains
driving scale through an increased customer count. Right now, Scale is
King. Reaching one billion in annual revenue is a pivotal point in the
future of Cogo and will allow us to drive incremental Value Added
Services through our unique e-commerce platform, cogozon.com. Current
market conditions, which we view as temporary, are giving us a unique
opportunity to utilize our scale, capital structure and market
experience to accelerate our share gains in this highly fragmented
marketplace.
So that’s my summary. Thanks very much for coming. I’ll be seeing you
in next quarter. Thanks.
About Cogo Group, Inc.:
Cogo Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: COGO), is
the leading online platform of Core Technologies for the 42 Million
Small and Medium Enterprises ("SME") in China. Cogozon.com, currently
serving Cogo's 1,500 SME and 100 Blue-Chip customers, is an e-commerce
platform for customers in tech manufacturing sectors (Smart Meters,
Alternative Energy, Autos, Healthcare, Tablets and HDTV), offering
designs, product, applications and technical support. Cogo's
transaction-based online revenue model centers on its Application
Store, offering design solutions and embedded software, and its Product
Store, which sells standardized Electronic products. Cogo operates
Cogopedia.com, a unique web-based business networking platform to
engage with 50,000 electronic and software engineers, collecting one
million data inputs daily. Cogo offers technology from 400 suppliers,
including 50 global players like Broadcom, Xilinx, Freescale, Microsoft
and Atmel. Cogo has 600 employees, with 300 in engineering and 200 in
direct sales and 15 service centers across China.
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